Levi Johnston to join Palin family at convention

I am not a lawyer, but in many states a young girl can give legal consent at the age of 16.

Billy

Are you hoping that a law was broken?

This summer we celebrated my inlaws 60th wedding anniversary. They were 17 when they married and yes, she was pregnant. I am sure glad they married because I got #2 daughter and we have been married for 35 years and have produced two more GOP voters!

didn't you break a law, by condeming yourself just now...because by your own words you will be judged and you will not escape your own conscience, until you yourself will repent before God...because the bible says "we all have gone astray..., for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". Instead of looking for pricks in someones eye look for the log in yours, with all respect. If you ever stood up to Hollywood and protested a sex infested movie, If you ever wrote to the editor of "seventeen" magazine and confronted them on writing sensual/sex tips articles...ONLY then can you say something that someone can respect and listen...but if your heart is not in it, let your words not be in it either.
Let them that are without sin cast the first stone.

I looked it up. It's statutory rape in Alaska.

And, it is called WHAT in Alabama, South Carolina and New York.

Double standard or closed minded Lib?

Alaska's age of consent is 16

It's illegal in California too... He would have to reg. as a Sex offender for the rest of his life in Kern County.

Is all Ellen did was give the information as to how it is applied to Alaska after somebody asked, VAL666 weren't you the one talking about the 10 and 7 year old of Mr. Obama's during their appearance at the GOP convention? Oh yeah, you were. These are not children and they have already been paraded out there for political purposes. Did anyone get a load of LEVI"S my space comment on the Huffington Post? Everyother word was the F word and he stated he didn't want any children. Nice. I wouldn't let this guy marry my 17 year old daughter if she were having triplets.

Ellen for O'bama:

Don't know where you did your research (no reference of course) but it is not necessarily statutory rape in Alaska. If she was 16 and he was 18 at intercourse then it was sexual abuse of a minor (but not rape); however, if he was 17 then no. To spell it out it detail for the fact devoid Ellen, if he was 18 and she 17 (at their present ages) then it is not statutory rape.

For Ellen and the other research challenged, here's the Alskan law from

"The age of consent is defined as 16 years old, according to Alaska statutory rape laws. If a person who is at least 18 years old engages in sexual activity with a person who is 16 years old or younger, he or she will be charged with sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree. This charge is a felony in Alaska. And remember, it does not matter if you did not force or threaten the other person into performing this sexual act with you. It is still a crime under Alaska statutory rape laws."

Actuallly the law in Alaska is 16 and under.

Bringing the boy into the picture just opens up more debate so whatever happens its their fault.

Like the boys statement on his my space page He says he does not want children.

He described himself as a redneck. (Page has been taken down)

A lawyer was viewing the winkipedia page on Palin the night before the announcement and someone was editing the page taking down all the negative stuff an putting up nicey nice things that only a family member could or should know. The lawyer reedited the page. The login for the person who was first editing it says retired.

Alaska has the Romeo Law, like we do in Florida. If Levi was 18, and Bristol was 16 or 17, it would not be illegal.

The Romeo Law says as long as the younger party is of the age of consent (16) and the older party is less than 3 years older than the younger, then it's not an issue.

He would have to be a full three years older than her for it to be considered 3rd Degree Child Abuse.

Even if the girl is not of the age of consent (and I don't know the age in Alaska), a lot of states have so called "Romeo and Juliet" laws which make it okay if the kids are within a couple years of each other in age - which may be why MSNBC originally claimed the kid was 26. No Republican scandal that can't be hyped by (in)judicious journalism.

That said, I think it's a great object lesson for kids - their actions (like getting knocked up) affect more people than just themselves. So, you did it, kids, your parents are taking the heat for it, might as well come out of the shadows. Old enough to make babies, old enough to deal with the fall-out...

AND, if you're running for public office, might wanna take down your kid's MySpace page with the nude pics, lewd insinuations and filthy language on it. Just a suggestion.

She just turned 17 so at intercourse time she was 16. You can still read most of the MySpace page on the Huffington Post.

They're both high school kids. They are supposed to be entering their Senior year. We know Bristol's not going to school any more, apparently she dropped out of school last year, but what about Levi? Does he also plan to drop out of school since he'll be married with a baby???

Why is this an issue? Is Sarah Palin running for office or sainthood? What's wrong, got nothing else?

Have to be three years older and in a position of authority in Alaska. He's 18 and her boyfriend. No crime.

These people have something you obviousely dont guts. What do you want them to do tell the world how ashamed they are then crawl in a hole. Would that make you feel better, perhaps sleep a little better tonight, would you feel like you made a difference with your pathetic liitle life.

What is it with you people? Can you not see the problem here? Crawl into a hole? No, of course not but step aside. Obviously Palin should realize her little girl is going to need her even more with a baby on the way. Why in God's name would any mother parade her child on national tv crying they want privacy and then accepting the vp spot? I am so tired of you people defending this action. If this were dems in this situation, your tongues would not stop wagging. Too bad it happened. If McCain has a chance in hell, he should ask this woman to step down and select a suitable running mate.

She cannot do that McCain does not have anyone who wants to run with him or he would have selected them. She was a last minute choice

You sure can feel the hate wave! There would have been a love wave had Mrs. Palin aborted her Downs son and have had her daughter abort her first grandchild.
Plus, why cannot her husband take responsilbity of the kids and home while she works...I have a neice who is a doctor and her husband stays home with the kids. I am sure the Palins have household help. Both my husband and I worked and had 5 children and it was really hard because of the lack of hoursehold help for tasks required to keep things running for 7 busy people.
When I stayed home for the 1st 16 years after my first child was born; feminists gave me a hard time Now the liberal feminists are screaming she should stay home...makes no sense to me. I guess the right -lust-desire to kill unborn babies takes precedence over any common sense.

Alaska and Washington D.C. are 7,000 miles apart. What does Palin plan to do, take the train home every night like Biden?? Drag all of these children to D.C. with her?? She wouldn't even give birth in the lower 48, so I doubt that's going to happen. Has anyone mentioned to the husband that he's the one that's expected to give up his life so his wife can pursue her political career.

What really makes me sick is all of the woman acting like it's wonderful that this woman is abandoning her children for political gain. A woman's duty is to her children. If a man says that they're called sexist, but I'm a woman and I'll say it because it's true. If a woman doesn't want to raise her children she has no business having children.

There is a striking difference in "family values" between the Obama/Biden ticket and the McCain/Palin ticket. I prefer the ticket that puts their children before their own self interest.

McCain has 7 children, but we only see the one blond girl. Why is that???

Well, Our gvernment in its wisdom furnish's the VP with quite a nice , large house in Washington, D.C. Men are taking care of children while their wives work and in the cases I know the wives make more than their husbands because of early career choices and the children are healthy and happy.

I would not worry about the lesson (?) that these two young people will give when we have the Hollywood crowd to keep our children educated about sex. The latest was the 16 year old Spears sister. She enjoyed the public eye and if you feel that these two need their privacy why do you not shut up and let them have it!

You should try reading the real truth about John and Cindy McCain. She has done more to help people than Hillary ever thought of because she is basically a very selfish woman.
Cindy not only oversees a business but finds time to do charity, work on land mines etc.

No matter what I or anyone else qill write, you all will keep on with your selfish,mean, nasty and down right dirty, crude, coarse remarks and then have the nerve to say that the Republicans are worse. Shame on you. America needs good men and women to work for this country. Try it, you might like it.

God Bless America

The dad was apparently staying home with the kids when this happened. So why didn't the kids have bodyguards when they went place, after all they are the governor's kids?

Are you nuts! Have you ever been to Alaska? Bodyguards! Yikes! You are extremely ignorant of these peoples lives.

Again the ignorance of Conservatives surfaces. Note the word "choice". Take a course in debate and learn basic logic. To be pro-choice does not mean we force our views on others, we merely want them to remain free to choose, you know, free will, choice, in other words, mind your own business.

Im sure at this point bristol could use a little support from the father of her child, try thinking things through instead of being so ugly about things....................

Is it support, or is he being dragged by his hair? Methinks he knocked up the wrong girl.

Are you for real?

I agree with you except for the fact that very conservative republicans (like Palin) preach a different message. She says abstinence is the way to go in out schools but evidently it does not work even for her own family. So if this is the "norm" the I think republican's should stop being hypocrites and preach a correct message to our kids about safe sex and contraception.

But we are electing someone who welcomes into thier family a person who describes himself as a redneck F***er.

That should bring the country together and help with the whole unity thing.

I voted for Reagan twice am I one of your hated liberals.

I am shure you spoke up when the right called Chelsea ugly when she was groing up, something she had no choice in.
I am shure you will find that Palins daughter had some choice in what she was doing.

But you are right we should back off the children, I just dont think that the moral majority has a perfect record here.

Memories get short.But wrong is wrong.

You cannot see why? I cannot believe you cant

In some states it would be rape; but in Alaska there would have to be a 3 year difference in age before it is called rape. Right or not the kids need to be left alone. She made a mistake by not getting married first but she is keeping the baby more than some teens do. It just prove even the president or vice president's family are human to and their families make mistakes too.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR STATES AGE OF CONSENT LAWS. I SUPPOSE YOU WERE NEVER THAT AGE AND HAD RAGING HORMONES. LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER TEENAGER. WE AT LEAST HAVE A NORMAL EVERYDAY PERSON RUNNING FOR OFFICE. SHE IS IN TOUCH WITH THE NORMAL WORKING FAMILY AND SHE HAS ONE. I APPLAUD MRS. PALIN

Generally the age of consent is 16, so if both parties are over 16 than statutory rape has not been committed. The age of consent is determined by the state and this is what Alaskan law says on the topic- being 16 years of age or older, the offender engages in sexual penetration with a person who is under 13 years of age or aids, induces, causes, or encourages a person who is under 13 years of age to engage in sexual penetration with another person;

Alaska age of consent is 16

ROGER D, IT HAS NOW BECOME A SAD SAD TIME IN OUR SOCIETY WHEN WE EXCEPT THIS AS THE "NORM" SHAME ON YOU FOR EXCEPTING THIS AND APPLAUDING THE ACTS OF 2 F*^%#$ UP KIDS.

Wrong BillyTwit:

"The age of consent is defined as 16 years old, according to Alaska statutory rape laws. If a person who is at least 18 years old engages in sexual activity with a person who is 16 years old or younger, he or she will be charged with sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree. This charge is a felony in Alaska. And remember, it does not matter if you did not force or threaten the other person into performing this sexual act with you. It is still a crime under Alaska statutory rape laws."

Legal age is 16 in Ak

Apparently, cara, you have never dealt with teens. They talk marriage at 12 and 13... They're totally braindead at that age so don't be too quick to dismiss their absurdities as "unbelievable". There is nothing too bizarre for a teen to do or think. We should lock them in cages until they can prove they are not crazy.

We should lock them in cages until they can prove they are not crazy.

I think this should also apply to a lot of other "sane" people in our society, regardless of age.

OLDEFARTE...
Thanks, oldefarte, for a great laugh!!! :) People, you all need to lighten up. Handle the problems that arise in your own families...if you're doing a good job, it will probably keep you too busy to worry about criticizing someone elses. And every parent knows that your kids are not necessarily going to follow everything you have tried to teach them...doesn't necessarily mean you aren't teaching the correct information...just maybe that they aren't listening.

I agree but she decided to get the boy down here. Done right she should have told the story Invited the kid and not try to disguise the fact by using the baby as a shield. Tells you about this womans thought processes.

This whole mess is sick, sick, sick. Palin is supposed to be above this, now she has a daughter that ignored mom and is pregnant. If mom can't handle her own family, how the he** is she going to handle the country?

McCain didn't nominate the Mormon family (Romney), after all.

And how come Dem hacks tout candidates who have been drug abusers and rapists and they give them a pass and then later shake their fingers at Palin's husband for a 22 year old DUI!?!? Clearly it is a mistake to fall into their way of 'thinking' which in normal circles is called 'pure partisanship'.

I would not say Obama was given a "pass" when he made his revalation. It was a front page story for quite a while.

You people are sick-o's just like Palin. It's the fact that Mrs. Palin thinks she is "better" than everyone else, that rankles most of us. She preaches values and condemns the rest of us for our beliefs. Somebody said the other night, "Don't throw stones, if you live in glass houses." I guess we are really seeing what that means, now. Talk about a worst choice. However, maybe McCain just did it to take the spotlight away from his confused, disoriented, demented self. Just a thought.

Whitebird

1. You allege that Palin thinks she is "better" than everyone else. Obviously, that is your opinion because there is no way to know precisely what anyone else things. That being said, give us an example of why you say that.

2. Please provide an example of when you felt "condemned" by Sarah Palin.

Not only that but it proclaimed he was not ready to be a dad. i have seeded a link on the article you can read.

Honestly, who cares how an 18 year old describes themself?

That is an easy one:

The person who should care is the teenager who he is going to marry, and the family should wonder what kind of values that they taught their kid who would go out with this kind of person in the first place.

I guess Ms. Palin would have a problem if he wasn't a redneck.

Yes but the page is down now. Did it on my space

tim-475742 wrote: "Is it true that he describes himself as a redneck F***er and is still welcomed into the Palin family??????"
Actually Palin is probably proud of the fact that he calls himself a Redneck. In 2005 Palin started a marketing business named 'Rouge Cou' which literally means 'Redneck' in French. This is no bullshizz... it is honest to God truth. Just Google: Rouge Cou Palin

Who do you want to leave them alone? Us or the GOP? I'm not the one putting them in the national spotlight. If the Republicans want people to stop talking about these kids, then they should be at home in Alaska where they belong. Didn't school start today?

then they should be at home in Alaska where they belong. Didn't school start today?

I have no problem if the family wants to be with her at such an important convention. It is not like previous Pres/VP candidates haven't had their kids their.

Just because the kids are there does not force the media to put them in the spotlight.

Don't be ridiculous. The Palins are the ones who have put these kids in the spotlight. Her ambition clearly over rules her parenting skills. This says a lot about what kind of person she is, and it says a lot about McCain's judgement. I cannot imagine being 17 and having the entire world knowing that I was pregnant out of wedlock. Of course in redneck circles, perhaps this is OK, but most of the civilized world is cringing with sympathy for these kids.

You are right oldguru. Palin is the mother that put her daughter in the spotlight. She has humiliated her daughter and denied her the right to her privacy. I don't think I could have brought all this humiliation on my own daughter. I would have had to bow out rather than subject my child to such abuse.

Whitebird

Time for a reality check. The Daily KOS with their LIES and the LIBs on this forum that spread the LIES are responsible for this girls story being front page. With no constructed LIE by KOS, there would be no need to discuss this at all.

Now that the LIE has been exposed, where are the apologies and the remorse?????

Rational Poster...You have hit the nail on the head. Except please try to stay away from
the labels...most thinking people from any political party or political leanings can clearly
see the reality of how this situation has evolved..."LIBs" included. Lying is not exclusionary
to any certain group, as we have all so painfully seen.

I predict this "We did indeed use protection ,against the beliefs of my Mother and it failed us.However if I had abstained as I was taught by my loving Mother we would not be in this situation."I love you mommy"

Apparently she is off in the woods someplace. She missed two apperances today before republican members one of which was a 100 buck fundraiser and that was run on a local FOX station.

Are you kidding? If I was that boy and got along OK with the girl's parents, I would be at the convention. This is historic and I'd want to be a part of it.

Can you remember being 18?

I have to agree with you .... This is just a way to avoid the real issue at hand. Things like this happen everyday in every household no matter how we preach and teach to our youth about the dangers and responsibilities. Question in my mind is if they marry how long will it last? FORGET THE KIDS AND GET WITH THE ISSUES AT HAND !!!!!! PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK SHE HAS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO RUN OUR COUNTRY...... JUST MY THOUGHTS!

Sounds like Rove Deny deflect and accuse

I agree, too, just thinking. I think he is just throwing her under the bus, just as she is throwing her daughter under the bus. Great team, don't you think?

I dont care which side makes an issue out of it....we..the people of newsvine should move on. Gov palin's daughter being pregnant will not sway my vote one way or the other...and it shouldn't.

publius, I guess you flip flop on the issue of morals and values just like Sarah. Vote for whomever you want.

Hypocrisy? How so?

Pathetic Mother and VP Candidate who had her pregnant daughter conveniently holding her little brother with a big blanket over her midsecction during the VP announcement. Palin has manipulated this pregancy the entire way and this is just more of it. If the kids are supposed to be off limits in the campaign why drag the boyfriend from Alaska to the convention? The only reason he needs to make an appearance is to legitimize their "marriage". Fat chance that ever happens. She's proving herself a worthy succesor to the deception, dishonesty, and manipulation that has been the hallmark of the Bush/Cheney regime.

The same thing Repugs say everytime they get caught up in something The press is against us

Yes, and we don't claim to be something we are not, like the Repugs do, logdump.

Scorpioncreed. Congratulations! You are one of the lucky 5% of the population to actually be born with a brain! I couldn't agree with you more. We have become a nation populated and ruled by imbeciles.

You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to taxes. Obama wants to LOWER your taxes, McCain want to RAISE them. Got it?

Cant say you or him are a member of that 5% if that junk he wrote is what you base being there is on!

Scorpioncreed:

Ditto akguy's approval. Nice job. Just to add my opinion on becoming oil independent, this will take a considerable amount of time to transact. Just take a look around the room your presently in and "see the oil" (everything that required oil as a source): plastics, manufacturing processes to make things, transportation, etc...the infrastructure is significantly tied to oil. It will take considerable time to become oil independent and I doubt if Obama's projection will be accurate. In the interrim, I do believe it is necessary to further tap America's resources to reduce dependency on foreigners.

Also finger pointing and name calling are probably prerquisites for these bloggers.

And FYI: I tried solar panels to heat my water...it did not do a very good job (little hot water). My family has a big white windmill on one of our farms that drives me crazy and is a eyesore that I wish we hadn't succombed to government subsidizing.

Scorp,

You really need to do your homework. You sit here and lecture people but yet you yourself don't bother to give facts. Instead you make broad stroke very subjective comments and think at the end of the day they have value for all who read. Does your family make over $250K per year? If so, then your taxes will go up, if not they won't. As for not knowing what "change" means, that means you haven't been listening -- what topics are you confused about? Health Care, Iraq, Taxes, Energy, Gun Control, Abortion, Schools, Social Security, etc. All of these issues have been talked about over and over again. Tell me why Obama is a socialist? Give some examples. Health Care, yeah, 47 million people with out health care is not a problem and it doesn't cost me a dime, right? Raising the taxes of people who make more than $250K from 35% to 39.5%. Really, does this make him a socialist?

Finally, if you can't prove something, why say it? I have a "gut" feeling that Obama is shady; I can't prove it but I have a gut feeling nonetheless? Specifically why don't you tell us how close OBAMA is to Ayers. This should be fascinating. Look I don't mind a good debate about the issues, but far too many people are more intent on making remarks that they cannot back up in a feeble effort to make their case. I agree with you we should all play nice, but it's hard for me as an Independent, to ignore comments such as yours when you lase them with statements questioning Obama's character but you say very little about the other guys character. Read your comment again, did you talk about the Keating 5? Why did Mrs. Palin mislead us about the Bridge to no where? What about McCain's joke on rape? Why didn't McCain vote for the MLK holiday? And on, and on and on. If people can stay to the issues and leave out the character assassinations, then I think the chances of a civil type debate is possible.

Rdouda

Maybe you are saying what you know and trying to be factual but you are not telling the whole story.

50% of the jobs in this country come from Small Business and Obama wants to eliminate capital gains taxes for small business. While many small business people do not earn over $250000 per year, their taxes WILL go up if this cap gains for small business is eliminated.

John McCain would push to make the Bush tax cuts permanent while Obama will let them go back up - for EVERYONE.

Finally, what do YOU say is fair? The top 5% had 36% of AGI but paid 60% of taxes in 2006. How much is enough? The bottom 50% of tax returns paid an average of $447 per return. How little is enough?

AKGUY Johnson is right about Scorpioncreed Johnson being right! There you have it! Authentic frontier jibberish.

On the subject of taxes. Neither canidate can say they won't raise taxes. If they do they are lying like all politicians. At this point we are in very deep debt to several countries and the hole is only getting bigger every day. Point your finger at the war, company bail-outs, or miss management the reality is still the same. That money will have to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is the pockets of the American people who put all this miss-spending idiots in office. Our economic problems are the fault of both parties, we are feeling the impact of a corner we have been painting ourselves into for about 50 years. There are a long list of contributing factors that will all have be addressed. So if anyone says 'no new taxes' on either side, they are lying to you. No politican can make that promise for the next 4-8 years (if they win re-election).

Sepulchre, This colum is not about Taxes. It's about good old american teen sex. Can we get back to it.. I was wondering i didnt see any reports of video of the teens rapped it a sweety mess of frothy lust... Any one see anything on utube yet ????

Strange but I have been looking for something onMcCain's stand on the issues but then I remember he shut up about them when he started his attack ads